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#231 TEXTRON visit during the Composites360onTour at AERO 2026 | Citation Ascend: Precision Use of Composites in Next-Gen Business Aviation Systems

18.06.2026 15 min Staffel 5 Episode 189

Zusammenfassung & Show Notes

At AERO 2026, the Composites360onTour format visits Textron Aviation to explore the next evolution in business jet design: the Cessna Citation Ascend. In this interview, Ilkay Özkisaoglu and Norbert Werle (Jet Circle) speak with Jimmy Beese, VP Product Development at Textron Aviation, covering both aircraft comfort and performance as well as the engineering logic behind composite materials.
On the aircraft side, the Citation Ascend is presented as a refined evolution of the proven 560XL platform. The discussion highlights key upgrades including the Garmin G5000 avionics suite, Pratt & Whitney Canada PW545D engines, and aerodynamic refinements that extend range to approximately 1,940 nautical miles.

The cabin has been redesigned with a flat-floor configuration, larger windows, and improved seating concepts, offering enhanced passenger comfort while maintaining operational efficiency.

The conversation then shifts into the engineering domain, where the focus turns to composites and material selection. Rather than presenting composites as a dominant solution, Jimmy Beese outlines a targeted, application-driven approach:
• Composites are used in specific components and control surfaces, both internally and externally
• Integration is driven by weight sensitivity and functional requirements
• Aircraft design relies on a hybrid material architecture, balancing metals and composites

A key insight from the interview is the shift away from material-driven trends toward problem-oriented engineering decisions. Composites are applied where they provide measurable value—not as a default solution.

The discussion also provides perspective on product development strategy, emphasizing a customer-first approach that translates operational needs into engineering solutions.
This interview is particularly relevant for:
• Aerospace engineers and designers
• Composites and materials specialists
• Professionals in MRO, certification, and product development

It offers a grounded view of how modern aircraft are engineered—where comfort, performance, and material science converge within real-world constraints.
 
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So now we are with the JET-Circle here at the Textron stand. Thanks to Jimmy that you joined us here to give us the highlight, because you will present now for the first time in Europe, the Citation Ascent. Tell us a little bit. What is that? So absolutely. Thank you for stopping by. We have many reasons to be excited about being here this year, and not the least of which is the European debut of the Citation Ascent. It's a fantastic aircraft. It continues to be a great performer for us. Built on the platform of the 560 XL, taking the place of the XLS Gen 2 in our product line, but it brings in a new cockpit with G 5000 Garmin G 5000 avionics coupled with engine upgrades, and the Pratt and Whitney Canada 545 D engines with improved specific fuel consumption, which extends range by about 100 nautical miles. -So how much less fuel is it burning compared to the XLS? -So we're quantifying that in terms of nautical miles that you pick up in room. So you pick up about 100 nautical miles in range. So it's about a 1940 nautical mile for passenger range. So 5% plus approximately. -Absolutely. So bringing great benefit to our customers, both from a a performance perspective but also a comfort perspective. So you get things like increased technology in the cabin with USB-C charging, wireless charging trays, variable seat comfort. So you now have options in terms of seat padding in your cabin seat. So our customers can configure the cabin both from a layout perspective but also a comfort perspective. So you can see some of the enhancements from the outside of the airplane. So the windshield now drops the bleeder eyelets for rain removal and de-icing goes to a more of a latitude longitude style windscreen. So it improves the appearance of the aircraft. Improves the function of the aircraft. The wing looks a little bit cleaner. We've cleaned up the wing and you now have a new aesthetically pleasing wingtip. So it improves that ramp presence as well. So we're kind of meeting every facet of operations with this redesign. And what is inside the cabin then the major change? So a major change being what you'll notice first, right off the bat when you walk in are two things. One is the flat floor. You now have options, flat floor being the standard, but you can opt to go back to the traditional drop aisle configuration. Yeah. And then you also have a new cabin seat. So it's a sports style seat with variable comfort options in terms of cushion with electric release that improve the functionality of the seat and the ease of mobility throughout the cabin. And the windows? -Yeah, windows are about 15% larger, so. That makes the difference. -It makes a huge difference. So both in the aesthetics of the airplane, but also the natural light that it allows into the cabin, so gives it a bigger, more roomy overall feel. -Wonderful. So we need to have now a look inside the cabin. -You need to get a look for yourself. I can talk about it all day long, but you're not going to experience it truly until you get in for yourself. -How often did you fly already in the Ascend? -I have that distinct privilege of being able to fly on it somewhat regularly. And it's a truly an exceptional experience, so we're excited to get it in front of our customers and get it out into the field. -Cool. So that's so much about the Ascent, but your line up here is much more the Longitude, the M2 and so on. Let's go to the M2 for a short moment because it's now the Gen two. And that means also it's the smallest jet that you are offering and also the most fuel efficient jet. -Yes it is our light entry offering. So it is the smallest part 23 jet that we offer. But we're excited to show you that as well. Okay. And how is it now. It is still bigger than the Mustang was, right? -Yep. It's a little bit bigger tube a little bit longer. It is bigger than the Mustang. So it's a 5.25 type rating. So same type rating as the CJ3 and CJ4 family of aircraft. So that makes it easy for our pilots, our operators to transition through. Yeah. But your cockpit is going to be very similar. So a GE 3000 cockpit now with auto throttles. And of course, right on the heels of that, we have announced the Gen three that we're working to certify that pulls in emergency autoland. -Autoland will be also done on the M2 and from the fuel efficient point of view. How does it compare with the Ascent approximately? It's probably like half or most of the fuel consumption or. -Yeah, it's certainly less. What's great about the way we design our aircraft is, you know, fuel consumption or reducing fuel consumption is always at the forefront of our mind when we design them. So again. I don't think our customers would experience double the fuel consumption. I don't think just by going up inside you should expect to see dramatic increases in fuel consumption. But yes, just by nature of weight and size and different aerodynamic design, you would see a change in fuel consumption. Sure. -Okay. But still the most efficient small light jet that you have. Absolutely. Line up very nice. And let's have a look in the M2 and the Longitude afterwards. But let's start with the Ascent. -Great place to start. Thanks. Thank you. Jimmy. Thank you. Great to meet you here. -Great to be here. So this is Aero Day one 2026 with the nicest and best weather. Just like last year. Very blue sky. Jimmy, how do you like AERO 2026 so far? -Oh it's fantastic. It's packed with people and the weather is beautiful, as you mentioned. So you really couldn't ask for a better show. Jimmy, by the way, dear community, he's the VP of product development at Textron, would we say, yes? And yeah, we were going to talk about composite parts, the engineering part of the planes. My partner Norbert had already a chat with him about the nice flying, the comfortable flying. But now let's dive into the technology. Into the engineering. Do you fly yourself? I don't. I'm not a pilot, but I have the distinct pleasure of being able to operate on our aircraft quite frequently. So when I experience a plane, I'm looking at it from multiple perspectives, not only as a pilot or a pilot would, but also as a passenger or an owner operator. Tell us a bit about your very briefly, the product development are there different departments or how do you operate as product development? So before we come into the first part. Yeah. So as in any I guess the product development department or organization, we certainly have multiple facets to how we approach it. But I think what is similar and what is somewhat unique is that it starts with the customer first and the customer experience, whether you're a pilot or you're a what we would call turn right customer who experiences more of a cabin focused experience. We're trying to view it from all of those perspectives. So it starts with our customer first and how they use that airplane before we go and start redesigning or implementing new technology to your point. -So you have a view customer first get his comfort right, his safety right. And then would we say reverse engineer to the to the product? Yeah. It's like what you're trying to do is establish what you're trying to solve for. We don't just go do change for change sake is you're wanting to make and create meaningful change for your customers. So yes, you start with what a customer is trying to achieve and then you back your way into that solution. Excellent mindset I like that. So let's talk about my community, Jimmy is about composites. And I have a view on composites, which is very wide. But for the aerospace sake, let's narrow it down to thermoplastic thermoset composites, fiber reinforced polymers. So does your nice. What is this? This is this. -The Citation Ascent. The Citation Ascent. Does this has any composite part? I know it's a rhetoric question but let's get a professional answer to that. -So composites aren't something that are a new concept of Textron Aviation or Beechcraft or Cessna brands we've been working with composites for years. We've done composite fuselages. Composite wings. I'd say what's more prevalent today are composite features or composite components of the aircraft. So you'll see composites both in the interior engineering and interior manufacturing process, but you'll also see them externally on some of the control surfaces and certain features of the aircraft to either lessen weight or improve weight. And because, as you know, aircraft are very weight sensitive machines. So we'll incorporate composite manufacturing and composite features when necessary to try and achieve those those goals. Are there any trends in the fiber reinforced plastics in composites right now that you follow? Are you going more towards carbon fiber or fiberglass products? Are there any trends that you can sense these days? -I don't know if there's any trends I can sense. I'd say what's the trend is getting a say? I think what you've seen in the past are trends that try to go one way or the other, and they try to go on larger scale. I think the trend you're seeing is a more focused approach to implementing composite materials when it makes most sense. So let's do it again. Going back to my comment on let's not just do change for changes sake, but let's implement the correct technology at the correct time in the correct place. If that's an answer to you. -Absolutely it is. Yes. Thank you so much, Jimmy for these insights on the plane manufacturing. Of course. And enjoy the rest of the show. You too. Thank you so much. : Ilkay Özkisaoglu at AERO 2026 #Composites360ontour : materials, structures and engineering decisions. This is why I'm here to cover you these decisions that have to be made regarding engineering, technology and sustainability. I am Ilkay, I focus on the engineering side of aviation. I'm mostly interested in how these things get to fly the manufacturing side. Technology and engineering. Innovations that make these gears fly. Real Teams, real Technology, real innovations. Composites, components and cutting edge engineering. That's my world. Join me when we go into the details. Jets. Components. Communities. All in one place. The topics in aviation that are trending right now, of course, are sustainability. MRO maintenance, repair, overhaul and also retrofitting these planes. And all these have to be lightweight, of course. That's why we are here. Covering the stories for you from AERO 2026, Ila 2026 in Berlin and maybe other places like Paris Airshow 2027 next year. Why are the aircrafts one of our major topics at the #Composites360onTour coverage? Because these things are technical gears and they combine all processes that are in the light weighting technology available. So whom do we service this for? If you are in the aviation industry, aerospace industry, but also in the automotive industry, all these parts that you are seeing here on the wings and on the winglets are made from composite materials, lightweight technologies, and we cover in the aviation, of course, not only the outsides or the engine compartment. Of course, very important is also the inside of the plane. And sizes of course, start with the small to the mid-size range and to the large. Whether it is brokers or operators or MRO companies like Lufthansa Technik. These are part of our coverage. Follow along. 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